If anyone is shooting on a public footpath or bridleway then you are perfectly entitled to walk along it without hindrance.We always go out of our way to ensure no-one is disrupted in their legal activities and will wave immediately stop shooting,wave them through after unloading our guns(they always stop for a chat surprisingly)and wait 'til they're well out of the way before carrying on.
I can't really believe this blog to be honest.If a member of LACS was disrupted from enjoying their walk on a public path and didn't take the opportunity to point out that it is illegal to disrupt anyone on a public path or a public highway then either you were on private land(trespassing)or you're telling porkies!
you may be a gentleman but honestly, there are plenty of shooters asserting their 'right' to shoot and are incredibly abusive.
It's kinda rude to inform someone they are lying if you hear about a practice that doesn't stick with your ideal and it's also kinda naive to think that all shooters are gentlemen (or women) who abide by the rules as that simply isn't true, sadly. They are the ones who have guns and can be amazingly intimidating when challenged. I have been threatened as have my dog, on public land.
This is always happening where I live when we walk along Public Bridleways and footpaths and people and farmers are out shooting and I have been yelled at too many times to count. I have evidence, both recorded and photographic that this has happened to me so I am not 'telling porkies'
Everyone has the right to responsible access in Scotland. Part of that responsibility is to make yourself aware of the Access Code published by SNH and widely available in hard copy and from their website, the Scottish Government website and all Scottish Local Authority websites. Access Officers and Local Access Forums are only too keen to smooth out and discuss any potential conflict that arises between Access takers and Land Managers. Respect for all users and land use is paramount.
Out of all the shoots I’ve attended, never have i seen or heard of people being forced to cut their walks short or turn around, be 'threatened', 'intimidated' or otherwise harassed.
All shooting stops while people are in the area, and until they're well clear of the shoot.
I can, however, produce evidence of the many times my dogs and i have been threatened by people who support LACS
Mr J T Arthur
It is rather naive to simply suggest those shooting close to public rights of way are obliged by law to give way to walkers, if that were the case there would never be any shooting close to where I live as there are so many who wish to use the paths through the fields not only to walk their dogs but also to take the most direct route to the shops such as myself to collect my daily newspaper, thus at any given time there would be someone on the path or just about to do so rendering any legitimate shoot a complete waste of time; however, the reality is quite the opposite; once the shooting starts few will venture near them let alone attempt to walk passed. Out of 13 dog owners I know in the hamlet I live not one will venture in the fields to exercise their pets when it is known shooting is taking place and there are no advance warnings.
I speak as a septuagenarian who has lived all my life in the same house and well qualified to comment on the subject. In July I took a walk along a path close to my home where shooting was taking place in the adjacent field not realising I was being followed by the eleven year old son of a neighbour who has a great love of nature and was hoping to catch a glimpse of the small herd of deer which grace our neighbourhood thinking he was safe keeping close to me; however, no sooner had I realised the presence of the child than shots rang out and I could see a revolving decoy with pigeons skewered on to it. I do not have a mobile phone but I did have a camera with me following advise from the local council Rights of Way Officer to get some photographic evidence to help build a case as so many path walkers had been subject to abuse, being told they were trespassing when they were on the paths by those who think they have a God given right to shoot regardless of the law or any code of good shooting practice.
I could see the firing was being directed well within range of another path I would soon be joining but mostly out of view from their shooting position, so took a picture. Within seconds we were approached by a man driving a jeep at speed like a maniac who would have mown us down had the brakes of his vehicle failed. This man, several inches taller than me and forty years my junior jumped out of the vehicle greeting me with a tirade of abuse, shortly to be joined by another heavy in the same manner. I stood my ground having no fear of them letting them vent their anger, my thoughts at the time being if the sight of a mere path walker taking a photograph should cause so much incontrolable anger, how could these individuals be safe in possession of guns. After a while a policeman arrived on the scene who asked me to leave saying he would call at my house but he never did. A neighbour had earlier reported seeing a jeep of the same description blocking a public footpath whilst shots were being fired from inside it which could have accounted for the arrival of the policeman.
As if that was not bad enough, last month five children, four from our hamlet and a visiting friend whilst on a nature walk were caught up in gun fire on the same stretch of path who were simularly approached by a different vehicle which absolutely terrified them, they ran all the way home as the vehicle was used to chase them, alas nothing can be done even though it was reported to the police as the culprits simply deny everything.
You must take your complaints to the Police Complaints Authority,along with all your evidence.They cannot just do nothing.I know of instances where shooters have had their firearms seized following totally unfounded and fabricated complaints from members of the public.
Police do not(in my experience)take reports of 'man with gun' lightly.You MUST (or the parents of the children MUST)pursue this matter until an investigation is carried out and conclusions made.
This behaviour must not be tolerated.
Your entire blog centres around the argument that countryside can just be effectively closed down.... Yet in your example the only thing that stopped you continuing was how YOU didn't feel comfortable. So how is that the responsibility of legal shooters?
Banning guns does not work and will not work as the people that want them for currently illegal purposes can and do still get them. If you look at the latest figures handguns are the single biggest type of firearm used in offenses yet they are BANNED to all but a very select few.
Sheryl,I really don't care whether you regard me as a 'fine,upstanding character' or not,I certainly haven't tried to portray myself as such;I'm merely relating things as they are.
Yes,you're correct,I do kill animals,and being a meat eater is the only justification I need.I can understand your objections if you don't eat meat,but anyone who does is hardly in a position to criticise me.
Your sweeping generalisation that all shooters have a desensitised outlook on killing and are self righteous is merely your opinion,and while you're perfectly entitled to express it,it gets you nowhere as an argument for your cause.Facts would,but your post is lacking in that aspect,and is therefore merely a compilation of your personal thoughts.
Mr Arthur,I can only speculate on the reasons why you appear reluctant to pass on any relevant info/facts regarding the claims you made in your initial post to either me or the authorities,and on the reluctance of the latter to further investigate such claims.I have been shooting for over 35 years in one of Europes most popular tourist destinations,and have never experienced the incidencies you claim.
I have however,never been accosted for 'disturbing the peace',nor for 'slaughtering the innocent for fun'.
Sheryl,I don't think we have much more to say to each other,but simply because someone doesn't agree with your 'cause',doesn't mean they are living in the dark ages.To suggest someone is wrong simply for a different point of view to that of yours,smacks of blinkered arrogance.
You're right,I am certainly not starving,but neither is anyone else in this country who chooses to eat meat,yet they still eat it.Why is this?
Well if you have no more to say to me that's fine by me ! you have certainly shown yourself up to be the arrogant one.
Oh, and no you have never caused any trouble have you, you keep telling us this. No trouble to anyone, just going about your own business shooting little creatures ! Go on keep justifying your cause and hiding behind your facts and figures and im a good boy I am attitude, I for one am sick of hearing the same old arguments your sort keep spewing out !
I do hope that many shooters' attention will be drawn to this thread. LACS took our sport, and now they are determined to take yours. Repeal of the hunting ban should be every shooters first priority in defence of field sports more generally. I would hope that the anglers wake up to this too.
So you jump to the conclusion I eat meat ? well that's exactly the sort of argument I expected from you Eddie. You say I enjoy it ? I eat it for pleasure ? Do I ? Well there is someone who has his facts so totally wrong. I could argue about these wrong facts that you have a fondness for, but I am talking about cruel sports on the correct site for these issues, why are you here commenting on every blog ? You seem like you want to cause trouble Eddie, you seem very negative on every issue we raise on this website, If you can't see you do no wrong and it's not a sport you partake in then you must be here to wind people up, it certainly seems that way to me, You even have to try to belittle me with a spelling mistake ! which by the way the cartoon was before my time so I just got the name wrong. But hey I will take it on the chin ...... But wait not only can you read you can spell also...... Then please tell me what a HYPOCRATE is ?
I'm sorry,but I don't really understand your last post,and seem to think I have set out to personally attack you.This is not the case.You have in many instances made sweeping allegations and misleading remarks about me and my 'sort',but you don't know me any more than I know you,but get very agitated when I return the compliment.
All I ask Sheryl is that if you have known facts,then verify them instead of going off at a tangent which has nothing at all to do with the subject.
You insist on making varied and wild claims about all manner of things but can not(or will not) substantiate them.
On what do you base your claims?Emotion or fact?Legislation based on emotion rather than logic and facts,does no-one any good.Just look at the Hunting Act for instance.
Hi Sheryl,state one 'falsehood' I have claimed about my 'pastime' as you call it.
Nevermind 'falsehoods',state one,that you can prove is a false claim I have made.
Hi Sheryl,merely going over old ground and quoting from me is neither furthering your cause nor making any valid points.
Prove you r claims Sheryl,if you can.Show me the evidence that substantiates your claims.
I have already admitted I was mistaken regarding your eating habits,how much longer do you intend to avoid proving your allegations by creating a smoke screen of innuendo and repetition of past blogs?
Yes,Sheryl.birds that are shot,do sometimes suffer,but you neatly avoided the fact that sometimes so do those millions slaaughtered in meat processing factories(and they're reared in much worse conditions,despite what you may have read).Have a look at religious slaughter Sheryl,that's even worse,but I doubt you have the courage for that fight.
Stop skirting around the issues and give me some verifiable facts...and I'll do likewise.
If you want to further your cause it has to be based on logic and facts.
You shoot, maim and let birds suffer in agonising pain, that is a very big and important fact Eddie you have skirted round this on many occasions and not answered my posts with any satisfying answers as to why you put these creatures through their pain.
You keep bringing up meat processing factories we all know what happens in those, but yet again I have to remind you of the website you are visiting. I left you a post on a right royal shame about some hard facts on a member of the shooting fraternity who has been very honest about the way these birds are intensively farmed for shoots and saying it is bringing the wild bird shoots into disrepute, he is from a Cambridgeshire shoot and is very upset by the way these birds are turning out through enforced breeding they are not the swift, silent and fit birds they are naturally supposed to be, but as till now the post I wrote has not been left, I can only presume it's because I named him that it's not been posted ?
You keep dictating to me how you want me to comment on these posts Eddie but I will do it in my way not yours.
You have agreed to the facts birds of prey are persecuted for your activity you have also agreed to the facts these birds you shoot suffer .... well that is the facts right there and they have been verified and admitted that these things happen in your sport by you Eddie, that is all the facts we need to fight this cruel activity. It is right there in black and white !
Hi Sheryl.I find your posts very hard to follow aas you only appear to want to argue.You mentioned a shoot in Cambridgeshire sheryl,which you cannot deny,then made claims about a man who was involved in it and the comments he had made,then failed to verify your claims by giving any further information.OK?
What have I 'still not answered' sheryl?If I've missed a blog or a post somewhere,in which you have asked a direct question of me,point it out,and I'll answer it openly and honestly.You may not like the answer,but it will be honest.
The rearing of birds is over-seen and regulated by a governing body as far as I know,but I'm not involved in rearing pheasants on game farms as all our birds)pheasants)are wild.If we find untended eggs then we place them with a 'broody' to be looked after.All our ducks are wild also,we simply provide a good habitat for them,which is why they are attracted to our land.
You accuse me of lying sheryl?Who do you think you are?When have I ever told a lie on this website?This website is riddled with false accusations,innuendo and emotive twaddle,and you accuse me of lying?Pot and kettle sheryl.
I have never claimed that birds do not suffer when shot,some are cleanly killed,some are not,I have already stated this,but to deny that birds flap about after death due to involuntary electrical muscle spasm shows an ignorance of natural biology.Have a look on you tube at some head shot rabbits jumping around like olympic gymnasts,if you want proof of post mortem activity.Get a grip on reality sheryl.
I did not report any methods of slaughter to anyone when working in the slaughterhouse as all methods were overseen by an independant welfare 'vet',and all those methods involved are also government department approved.
You are perfectly entitled to disagree with what I do,but again you make accusations of me covering up any unnecessary suffering my 'sport' brings to these animals,which is totally untrue(but let's not let the truth get in the way of your claims eh?)as I have never claimed such things as you can see by reading through my previous posts.
I wish you well in your fight against animal cruelty,but as I stated right from the start,if your fight is not based on fact and logic,rather than unsubstantiated emotive claims and a personal prejudice against people who you blatantly depise,then your cause is lost.The people who you need to convince HAVE to base legislation on FACTS.
Sorry Sheryl,you're clutching at straws now in a desperate attempt to save face.
Personal insults like calling me 'immature' are a sure sign of a lost argument.I don't need to look on youtube to watch dead rabbits,I was merely pointing out you could see them on there.
You insist on claiming I call it sport because it suits your agenda,and the fact I've never denied that there is pain and suffering involved in shooting leaves you with no leverage in your futile arguments.
You're correct,there is little else to say.